Transcript: Juan Cruz on “Intelligence Matters”

INTELLIGENCE MATTERS – JUAN CRUZ
CORRESPONDENT: MICHAEL MORELL
PRODUCERS: OLIVIA GAZIS, JAMIE BENSON

MICHAEL MORELL:

Juan, welcome to Intelligence Matters. It is great to have you on the show. And most importantly it’s great to see you again.
JUAN CRUZ:
Thank you, Michael. Good morning.
MICHAEL MORELL:
I remember having the best mojito of my life (LAUGH) with you in a Bogotá restaurant, I don’t know, probably six or seven years ago. It was served in a bowl.
JUAN CRUZ:
Yes, I remember.
MICHAEL MORELL:
But I don’t think we can talk about the rest of the story. (LAUGH)
JUAN CRUZ:
No, no. Yeah, it’s Andres D.C. I remember that place, yeah. A large gourd. It was–
MICHAEL MORELL:
Yes. Yes, yes, yes–
JUAN CRUZ:
–a large gourd.
MICHAEL MORELL:
So Juan, you’ve retired from government.
JUAN CRUZ:
Yes, sir.
MICHAEL MORELL:
You spent the last part of your career at the National Security Council — in the early days of the Trump administration. How did you end up at the NSC?
JUAN CRUZ:
Fortuitously. The front office of the State Department was looking for somebody. As was the White House. The predecessor in the position had departed after a very brief time there, less than a month. And I had been interviewed previously for the job. And General McMaster had heard of me. I

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